Sadie In Jail

[Admin]

Sadie blew the whole case wide open when she blabbed about the crimes while in Jail on a much lesser charge.
If not for her big mouth, the case would have taken much longer to solve, although these acid tripping freaks would most likely have been caught soon after anyway.

[caseystrange]

Maybe not until the early to mid 70s. I think given the right circumstances, they all mostly would have gotten away. She is in fact to blame for opening her mouth. But so are her cell mates.

[Tripp]

Didn't Kitty Lutesinger implicate Sadie first when she made her first breakaway from the Family and talked to the cops? I'm pretty sure it was over the Hinman murder, but Sadie would've been up on murder charges quickly enough regardless.
My point being that, from what I've read, Kitty did a lot of talking before Susan blabbed. Unless my timelines are wrong.

[tyru]

Yes Kitty Lutesinger gave Sadie's name to the police and that's how they connected her to Gary Hinman's murder. We'll never know what would have happened if Sadie had stayed silent but I have the distinct impression that, while there was other evidence, Sadie's initial cooperation was particularly important in building a case against the family, and her grand jury testimony was probably pivotal, particularly in building a prima facie case against Charles Manson. At the time things were very unclear and uncertain and Bugliosi relates in Helter Skelter how time was of the essence, to the extent that he was worried that Manson would be released from jail for burning the bulldozer and thus be beyond reach. My view is that without Sadie giving evidence, the criminals may have escaped justice altogether, or at least had it substantially delayed.

[Hermit]

Jan 13, 2019 16:24:53 GMT -5 Admin said:

Sadie blew the whole case wide open when she blabbed about the crimes while in Jail on a much lesser charge.
If not for her big mouth, the case would have taken much longer to solve, although these acid tripping freaks would most likely have been caught soon after anyway.

I've always thought this myself.  She was a childish showoff running her mouth to try to look cool.  The cops had no clue and couldn't even put the two crimes together.  If not for her, I believe the crimes may have gone unsolved and we may never have heard of the name "Manson".

From the very beginning she was a big problem for the family.  

[BKL67]

It was Kitty Lutesinger that blew open the case and it was due to the efforts of a L.A. deputy, can't remember his name at the moment, and he wasn't working on any of the murder cases, Tate-LaBianca-Hinman. He was working Kitty's reported run away, back in June/July, her parents had informed him that she was probably with her then boyfriend Bobby Beausoleil. When Bobby got picked up for the Gary Hinman murder the deputies working that case didn't believe Bobby was alone during the murder, a witmess had stated they had called Hinman and a girl with an British accent had answered the phone. The deputy working the runaway case told them about Kitty and how he had been trying to find her but that she was probably the girl that answered the phone and used a fake accent. He was wrong on this but he did tell the other deputies they should put a hold on her if she did get picked up so they could question her. This they did and when Kitty got picked up during the raids in the Desert in October Inyo County Sheriff's Office contacted L.A. Sheriff's Office, they had seen the hold request and were holding her until L.A. Sheriff's could come talk to her. During the interview with the L.A. Sheriff's Kitty stated she had not been at the Hinman house with Bobby but she knew the two girls that were and that's when she gave up Susan and Mary Brunner. Susan was also in custody being picked during the same raids, she was interviewed and admitted her part in the Hinman murder, she was arrested and taken back to L.A. but that was only the start of the investigation in Inyo county. L.A. Sheriff's Office from the beginning had always believed their case, the Hinman murder and the other murders were connected and even had gone to the investigators of those cases to get them on board but got nowhere but now they had the direct connection between the Hinman murder, Bobby and the people that had been living at Spahn Ranch, Susan Atkins, which was their connention from the beginning Inyo County was much more receptive to L.A. Sheriff's information, now realizing they had more than car thieves in their custody and this started a series of interviews that in a couple weeks all the departments, L.A. Sheriff's. Inyo Sheriff's and even L.A. PD that was handling the Tate-LaBianca got involved and they were getting all kinds of information, sometimes it gets confusing as to whar department was conducting what interview but they were sharing information. One of those interviews was with Leslie Van Houten she said she didn't know anything about the LaBianca murders, not wanted to implicate herself but she had heard somethings about the Tate murders that led her to believe that some of the people that she lived with at Spahn may have been involved, she stopped talking when she was told about Zero's so called suicide. And this was all before anyone contacted L.A. PD about the crazy stories Susan was telling in jail. By then law enforcement was putting things together, maybe Susan's talking sped it up but I don't believe by long.

[starviego]

I suspect the cops knew right away who done it.

From Tom O'Neill's Chaos:

pg96
It sounded like Altobelli, and others in his circle, had suspected Manson from the start. And that was true, Altobelli said. When he heard about the murders, he thought of Manson right away.

pg125
John Parks, Beach Boys tour manager: Everyone in their scene suspected Manson right away, he said, even though it took the LAPD nearly four months to bring him to justice. "I have no idea why they didn't arrest him right away because it was pretty obvious."

pg126
Parks went on to say something even more dizzying: he was positive that the FBI had sent agents to the Beach Boys' office soon after the murders. ... He told the FBI about Manson "early on," but they didn't seem to act on his tip.

pg157
(LASO Dep Preston) Guillory was fairly confident that someone from LASO knew right away that the Family had committed those murders.

pg149
Hinman investigator LASO Charles Guenther:
He remembers going to the Tate autopsies with his partner, Whitely, to tell the investigators about the similarities between the Hinman murder and the Tate murders. The coroner, Thomas Noguchi, had already reached the same conclusion: they must be connected.

pg200
On Doris Tate: Like her husband, she'd conducted her own investigation through the years, becoming convinced that the Cielo house was under surveillance by some type of law enforcement at the time of the murders.

pg237
Santa Monica Deputy DA Ronald Ross, who was the prosecutor in the first Beausoleil murder trial:
He had orders, he said, to keep Charles Manson and the Family out of the trial. ... He took one look at the (Hinman)case(in early Sept of '69) and immediately connected it to the unsolved Tate-LaBianca murder. "You'd have to be deaf, dumb, and blind not to," he said.